didn't like his more conservative votes and his dragging feet, they felt, in fact on the writing of obama care. >> let's start with the gun vote, andrea, that you mentioned. max baucus was asked why he voted against background checks. and gave a one-word answer, montana. which made everyone, including myself, believe that he was running for re-election. that this was about his politics in a state. trace it back to health care. i asked him, is there a less popular democratic senator in the white house than max baucus. there aren't a lot. if there are any, this is someone who has been a bur in the side of the white house, particularly on health care. the way in which the health care debate played out. baucus was someone who wanted to control the bill. the white house sort of of ceded it to him and then it looked like it wasn't going to be what they wanted it led to a vast story in 2009-2010, the battle over health care. max baucus was at the heart of that. i would say just very quickly, andrea, five of the six democratic committee chairman in the senate are retiring. if that doesn't tell yo